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	<title>Comments on: Pricing Madness</title>
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	<description>by Mark Mayo</description>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2005/04/25/pricing-madness/#comment-7766</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 06:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude. Chill. 

Now. Several points.

I wasn't intending to comment on *you* whatsoever. Or suggest what *you* can or can't do. I didn't criticise your idea. I criticised Sun. 

Sun, your employer. The one that hosts your blog. If you post on blogs.sun.com, you *are* speaking for Sun at some level. Suggesting otherwise is naive, IMHO.

Now, to the real point. I was attempting to point out that Sun, as an organization, is presenting a mixed message right now. And it's sometimes frustrating if you're a Sun customer. I could have just as easily linked to Jonathon's arguments about per-cpu pricing (who presumably does speak for Sun), and actually I intended to link the word "lecture" to a Jonathon post. But I forgot. It just happened that I read your comment directly after Tim's and also just happened to recieve a quote on a SAMFS expansion an hour later.  :)

I think what you're doing is wonderful, and have in fact have openly told Sun executives here in Canada that the recent "opening up" of Sun via blogging was almost single handedly responsible for my decision to go back to Sun for technology after a several year hiatus. Open means a lot. 

So keep it up. Keep bringing change. But please realize that there are lots of Sun customers out there, like myself, that have been largely left high and dry over the last 5 years. We may still harbour some bitterness that we had no choice but to venture into LinuxLand.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude. Chill. </p>
<p>Now. Several points.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t intending to comment on *you* whatsoever. Or suggest what *you* can or can&#8217;t do. I didn&#8217;t criticise your idea. I criticised Sun. </p>
<p>Sun, your employer. The one that hosts your blog. If you post on blogs.sun.com, you *are* speaking for Sun at some level. Suggesting otherwise is naive, IMHO.</p>
<p>Now, to the real point. I was attempting to point out that Sun, as an organization, is presenting a mixed message right now. And it&#8217;s sometimes frustrating if you&#8217;re a Sun customer. I could have just as easily linked to Jonathon&#8217;s arguments about per-cpu pricing (who presumably does speak for Sun), and actually I intended to link the word &#8220;lecture&#8221; to a Jonathon post. But I forgot. It just happened that I read your comment directly after Tim&#8217;s and also just happened to recieve a quote on a SAMFS expansion an hour later.  <img src='http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think what you&#8217;re doing is wonderful, and have in fact have openly told Sun executives here in Canada that the recent &#8220;opening up&#8221; of Sun via blogging was almost single handedly responsible for my decision to go back to Sun for technology after a several year hiatus. Open means a lot. </p>
<p>So keep it up. Keep bringing change. But please realize that there are lots of Sun customers out there, like myself, that have been largely left high and dry over the last 5 years. We may still harbour some bitterness that we had no choice but to venture into LinuxLand.  <img src='http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Simon Phipps</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2005/04/25/pricing-madness/#comment-7764</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Phipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2005 22:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you're saying I can't point out the obvious because my employer hasn't finished following through yet? How do you think one brings about change? By keeping quiet until everyone has fixed everything?  

I am not making cheap marketing shots on my blog, nor speaking for Sun, I am saying what I think personally and trying to change things by doing so. Criticise my ideas if you wish but please don't start lecturing me on the fact that sometimes my ideas don't resonate totally with what Sun is doing - they leave me unfettered to speak and for that I am grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying I can&#8217;t point out the obvious because my employer hasn&#8217;t finished following through yet? How do you think one brings about change? By keeping quiet until everyone has fixed everything?  </p>
<p>I am not making cheap marketing shots on my blog, nor speaking for Sun, I am saying what I think personally and trying to change things by doing so. Criticise my ideas if you wish but please don&#8217;t start lecturing me on the fact that sometimes my ideas don&#8217;t resonate totally with what Sun is doing - they leave me unfettered to speak and for that I am grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2005/04/25/pricing-madness/#comment-6942</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification Peter. The pricing is indeed silly, especially in the face of what's become available in the Linux camp. XFS. Reiser. CXFS. GFS. Lustre. Lots of quality options whether you need shared SAN or not, and great performance. We actually moved a mail server off Solaris to Linux+XFS and almost doubled the performance. I'd bet money that the gains were nearly all due to the filesystem. A lot cheaper, *and* a lot easier than going to VxFS or QFS..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Peter. The pricing is indeed silly, especially in the face of what&#8217;s become available in the Linux camp. XFS. Reiser. CXFS. GFS. Lustre. Lots of quality options whether you need shared SAN or not, and great performance. We actually moved a mail server off Solaris to Linux+XFS and almost doubled the performance. I&#8217;d bet money that the gains were nearly all due to the filesystem. A lot cheaper, *and* a lot easier than going to VxFS or QFS..</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Tribble</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2005/04/25/pricing-madness/#comment-6937</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Tribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, QFS is a simple per host license (although tiered); it's the sam-fs part that's priced per terabyte. As a replacement, ZFS fits in the QFS realm, although without the ability to share filesystems. I wholeheartedly agree though that the whole pricing for samfs and qfs is plain silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, QFS is a simple per host license (although tiered); it&#8217;s the sam-fs part that&#8217;s priced per terabyte. As a replacement, ZFS fits in the QFS realm, although without the ability to share filesystems. I wholeheartedly agree though that the whole pricing for samfs and qfs is plain silly.</p>
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