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	<title>Comments on: Quoted at Byte and Switch about ONTAP GX</title>
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	<description>by Mark Mayo</description>
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		<title>by: Eyal Traitel</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2006/03/08/quoted-at-byte-and-switch-about-ontap-gx/#comment-97415</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was wondering if anyone cares to comment on his latest experience with GX.
I work for one of those "other" clustered NAS vendors who already ship alternatives - Exanet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering if anyone cares to comment on his latest experience with GX.<br />
I work for one of those &#8220;other&#8221; clustered NAS vendors who already ship alternatives - Exanet.
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		<title>by: rajeev karamchedu</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2006/03/08/quoted-at-byte-and-switch-about-ontap-gx/#comment-12371</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 19:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was able to power up my 6070 today and I thought you'd be interested in some geeky details

http://kreaper.blogsome.com/2006/05/19/6070-first-boot/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was able to power up my 6070 today and I thought you&#8217;d be interested in some geeky details</p>
<p><a href='http://kreaper.blogsome.com/2006/05/19/6070-first-boot/' rel='nofollow'>http://kreaper.blogsome.com/2006/05/19/6070-first-boot/</a>
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		<title>by: rajeev karamchedu</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2006/03/08/quoted-at-byte-and-switch-about-ontap-gx/#comment-10458</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 04:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Lee - you should have released that article with some distribution kickbacks in place. EMC and other vendors have gone to town with that article. If only you got a penny for every one of those emails... :) :)


The question is - who needs a GX ? 
(One) Answer: Those who need scalable performance and capacity - mostly performance

If we focus on that answer - I am not sure if GX solves the problem fully. For one has to 
add a "filer disk" solution as a unit everytime I need a just performance scaling. I cannot just add a "head" to the environment when I need performance and just a "disk shelf" (on a maxed out system) when I just need capacity, now can I ? It would be interesting to see how the licensing also works out. Dont tell me I have to pay CIFS/NFS/Snap license to each of the nodes. 

And they are a year late in its delivery - those few who need GX-style solution have been
looking and asking for it for atleast that long. Those that are in beta now are not really
tasting the goods fully either - they got GX on the slower 3000 series system. The newer 'excelsior' heads that are supposed to be the new high-end filers will run GX but who knows how long *they* will take. 

If their marketing is nearly half as good as their tech support, then the delays would not matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee - you should have released that article with some distribution kickbacks in place. EMC and other vendors have gone to town with that article. If only you got a penny for every one of those emails&#8230; <img src='http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The question is - who needs a GX ?<br />
(One) Answer: Those who need scalable performance and capacity - mostly performance</p>
<p>If we focus on that answer - I am not sure if GX solves the problem fully. For one has to<br />
add a &#8220;filer disk&#8221; solution as a unit everytime I need a just performance scaling. I cannot just add a &#8220;head&#8221; to the environment when I need performance and just a &#8220;disk shelf&#8221; (on a maxed out system) when I just need capacity, now can I ? It would be interesting to see how the licensing also works out. Dont tell me I have to pay CIFS/NFS/Snap license to each of the nodes. </p>
<p>And they are a year late in its delivery - those few who need GX-style solution have been<br />
looking and asking for it for atleast that long. Those that are in beta now are not really<br />
tasting the goods fully either - they got GX on the slower 3000 series system. The newer &#8216;excelsior&#8217; heads that are supposed to be the new high-end filers will run GX but who knows how long *they* will take. </p>
<p>If their marketing is nearly half as good as their tech support, then the delays would not matter.
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		<title>by: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2006/03/08/quoted-at-byte-and-switch-about-ontap-gx/#comment-10278</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You're one of the customers I had in mind Lee, yip. Thanks very much for providing more background! Your explanation is far more in line with what I've seen from NetApp customers with existing SpinServer installs, and largely mirrors my own frustration, or perhaps disapointment, that it's taking an awfully long time to see the fruits of the Spinnaker acquisition come to bear. I know I was promised some of the SpinOS features would be available to me over a year ago, and now we hear that some of the key Spinnaker employees have left NetApp on the eve of the first GX release.. 

I'm certainly nervous and looking at alternatives more seriously than I have in the past. For NetApp's sake I really hope the first  GX releases are solid, because you only get one chance with stuff like this... First impressions are everything in the storage game.

BTW, if you want to contact me via email I'd love to hear how your BlueArc and Isilon evals are going!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re one of the customers I had in mind Lee, yip. Thanks very much for providing more background! Your explanation is far more in line with what I&#8217;ve seen from NetApp customers with existing SpinServer installs, and largely mirrors my own frustration, or perhaps disapointment, that it&#8217;s taking an awfully long time to see the fruits of the Spinnaker acquisition come to bear. I know I was promised some of the SpinOS features would be available to me over a year ago, and now we hear that some of the key Spinnaker employees have left NetApp on the eve of the first GX release.. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly nervous and looking at alternatives more seriously than I have in the past. For NetApp&#8217;s sake I really hope the first  GX releases are solid, because you only get one chance with stuff like this&#8230; First impressions are everything in the storage game.</p>
<p>BTW, if you want to contact me via email I&#8217;d love to hear how your BlueArc and Isilon evals are going!  <img src='http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Lee Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2006/03/08/quoted-at-byte-and-switch-about-ontap-gx/#comment-10275</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mark, 

I'd like to elaborate on one part of this posting.


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Of course there’s also some high profile Spinnaker customers that have been left high and dry, so it’s been hard to gauge where NetApp’s commitment has been up until now. 
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If I am that high profile customer you're referring to,  NetApp hasn't quite left us high and dry.  

I currently have a Spinnaker in production and recently gave an interview about my experience with NetApp to a trade journalist. When the article came out, I felt it was too sensational and in several ways misrepresented my feeling about Netapp. I don't blame the reporter.  I am frustrated with NetApp, and that is what came across in the article.  But there is more to the story.

The title of the article vaguely suggested that I walked away from NetApp as a customer because of my frustrations as a Spinnaker owner.  That's not entirely true.  It's more that NetApp has not been able to offer viable replacement yet.  Since we've owned the Spinnaker, other vendors have developed filers which are very feature competitive with what Spinnaker offered.  Now, even NetApp has nothing shipping that I know of with the feature set of the Spinnaker.  

As far as I know, there isn't a way for us to grow our storage behind the Spinnaker at all since the source for Spinnaker shelves is now gone and NetApp shelves don't appear to be compatible.  Again we're not too surprised, but this does force us to come up with our next generation filer sooner rather than later.  And NetApp isn't ready with that filer yet.  They're not helping us stay NetApp.

NetApp support is about what you would expect for a dead product that only a handful of customers own.  It only makes sense for NetApp to focus their limited resources on the bulk of their customers.   That said, their support in the past has not met our expectations in a few limited cases.  However, NetApp is currently addressing those problems and I expect we will come to a resolution.


If NetApp finishes merging their own operating environment with that of Spinnaker, we will invite them back.   But it may be the case, that they aren't ready by the time we need a new filer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to elaborate on one part of this posting.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Of course there’s also some high profile Spinnaker customers that have been left high and dry, so it’s been hard to gauge where NetApp’s commitment has been up until now.<br />
&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>If I am that high profile customer you&#8217;re referring to,  NetApp hasn&#8217;t quite left us high and dry.  </p>
<p>I currently have a Spinnaker in production and recently gave an interview about my experience with NetApp to a trade journalist. When the article came out, I felt it was too sensational and in several ways misrepresented my feeling about Netapp. I don&#8217;t blame the reporter.  I am frustrated with NetApp, and that is what came across in the article.  But there is more to the story.</p>
<p>The title of the article vaguely suggested that I walked away from NetApp as a customer because of my frustrations as a Spinnaker owner.  That&#8217;s not entirely true.  It&#8217;s more that NetApp has not been able to offer viable replacement yet.  Since we&#8217;ve owned the Spinnaker, other vendors have developed filers which are very feature competitive with what Spinnaker offered.  Now, even NetApp has nothing shipping that I know of with the feature set of the Spinnaker.  </p>
<p>As far as I know, there isn&#8217;t a way for us to grow our storage behind the Spinnaker at all since the source for Spinnaker shelves is now gone and NetApp shelves don&#8217;t appear to be compatible.  Again we&#8217;re not too surprised, but this does force us to come up with our next generation filer sooner rather than later.  And NetApp isn&#8217;t ready with that filer yet.  They&#8217;re not helping us stay NetApp.</p>
<p>NetApp support is about what you would expect for a dead product that only a handful of customers own.  It only makes sense for NetApp to focus their limited resources on the bulk of their customers.   That said, their support in the past has not met our expectations in a few limited cases.  However, NetApp is currently addressing those problems and I expect we will come to a resolution.</p>
<p>If NetApp finishes merging their own operating environment with that of Spinnaker, we will invite them back.   But it may be the case, that they aren&#8217;t ready by the time we need a new filer.
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